New Mercedes

Vehicle and Fleet discussions for First Midland Red Buses Limited or its predecessor, Midland Red West Limited.
chason
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Re: New Mercedes

Post by chason » 00:07 Wednesday 31st October 2018

Like other enthusiasts, I find the variety of liveries now appearing of great interest but I do wonder whether the average passenger really cares a jot or, in many cases even notices or understands why his or her bus wears a particular livery. My feeling is that their main concern is still that there should be a bus at a time when they need one, it is on schedule, clean and comfortable and at a fare they can afford.

Is there any actual evidence, locally or nationally that the cost involved can be recouped by persuading more passengers to travel on such buses, which is presumably the reason for such livery changes?

ANDREW
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Re: New Mercedes

Post by ANDREW » 12:08 Wednesday 31st October 2018

chason wrote:
00:07 Wednesday 31st October 2018
My feeling is that their main concern is still that there should be a bus at a time when they need one, it is on schedule, clean and comfortable and at a fare they can afford.
Agreed !! :)

DD12
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Re: New Mercedes

Post by DD12 » 19:39 Thursday 1st November 2018

64033 was parked in the corner of the patch this evening and I was able to look at the rear end.
Two things were note worthy --
-- The rear window looked a right mess (under the artificial light) as the previous "decoration" had not been removed adequately.

-- it also featured two versions of the fleet number :-
- one low-down on the right-hand rear, and one high-up on the same side --
the latter one is prefixed ES.
(However this prefixed number didn't look to me like it had just been applied -- ?? )
I'm wondering now if was applied by it's previous owner (?) , or, by FMR, because it could "mean" Engineering Spare !
:roll:

Matt
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Re: New Mercedes

Post by Matt » 20:21 Thursday 1st November 2018

Three slightly separate comments, sorry if they have been answered elsewhere or they are obvious/stupid questions. :oops:

- I see the fleetlist shows 13 Mercs but there are only 8 '64' streetlights, does that mean there are other vehicle to go? Maybe the last of the Enviro 300s?

- this is the second batch of major refurb vehicles from Thorntons for Midland Red, is this happening more widely for other areas/by other operators to reduce new vehicle spend? Presumably it gives significant lifespan increases competing what must be quite costly work? If it continues would it not be cheaper to bring skill in house to complete such overhall work?

- I am suspecting this all may mean quite a wait for the previously mentioned updated coaches and some newer DDs to appease @DD12 although it seems that the majority of need for DDs is for schools work?

willr7
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Re: New Mercedes

Post by willr7 » 21:40 Thursday 1st November 2018

DD12 wrote:
19:39 Thursday 1st November 2018
64033 was parked in the corner of the patch this evening and I was able to look at the rear end.
Two things were note worthy --
-- The rear window looked a right mess (under the artificial light) as the previous "decoration" had not been removed adequately.

-- it also featured two versions of the fleet number :-
- one low-down on the right-hand rear, and one high-up on the same side --
the latter one is prefixed ES.
(However this prefixed number didn't look to me like it had just been applied -- ?? )
I'm wondering now if was applied by it's previous owner (?) , or, by FMR, because it could "mean" Engineering Spare !
:roll:
After looking at pictures of the Citaro's that came from Bracknell depot, all the blue citaro's appear to have had two letters (for example ES) before the fleet number, unfortunately I do not know what the letters were meant to mean to mean OR why FMR have still kept the fleet number with letters on...

willr7
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Re: New Mercedes

Post by willr7 » 21:52 Thursday 1st November 2018

Matt wrote:
20:21 Thursday 1st November 2018
Three slightly separate comments, sorry if they have been answered elsewhere or they are obvious/stupid questions. :oops:

- I see the fleetlist shows 13 Mercs but there are only 8 '64' streetlights, does that mean there are other vehicle to go? Maybe the last of the Enviro 300s?

- this is the second batch of major refurb vehicles from Thorntons for Midland Red, is this happening more widely for other areas/by other operators to reduce new vehicle spend? Presumably it gives significant lifespan increases competing what must be quite costly work? If it continues would it not be cheaper to bring skill in house to complete such overhall work?

- I am suspecting this all may mean quite a wait for the previously mentioned updated coaches and some newer DDs to appease @DD12 although it seems that the majority of need for DDs is for schools work?
I can't help you with your last 2 questions Matt but i'll give the first one a go! 4 of the 8 Streetlite's are moving to Leicester (4 will stay), 6 of the 8 solo's will either be Withdrawn OR Transferred/Sold? (2 will be kept - presumably for service 31) And presumably the 6 E300's that are left will move up to Stoke... In total that is 16 vehicles but I should imagine that the PVR has dropped since the recent network changes so there would be no need to keep 3 vehicles that will not be replaced by Citaro's... Hope that makes sense ;)

DD12
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Re: New Mercedes

Post by DD12 » 22:02 Thursday 1st November 2018

willr7 wrote:
21:40 Thursday 1st November 2018
DD12 wrote:
19:39 Thursday 1st November 2018
…… I'm wondering now if was applied by it's previous owner (?) , or, by FMR, because it could "mean" Engineering Spare !
:roll:
After looking at pictures of the Citaro's that came from Bracknell depot, all the blue citaro's appear to have had two letters (for example ES) before the fleet number, unfortunately I do not know what the letters were meant to mean to mean OR why FMR have still kept the fleet number with letters on...
Thanks very much willr7 !

willr7
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Re: New Mercedes

Post by willr7 » 22:06 Thursday 1st November 2018

DD12 wrote:
22:02 Thursday 1st November 2018
Thanks very much willr7 !
Your Welcome :D

Matt
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Re: New Mercedes

Post by Matt » 21:16 Sunday 4th November 2018

Thanks for your reply willr7, it seems Mr Eggleton has since spotted our sumising and has provided an answer to 2 of the 3 points via Adam's post on the other thread.

My second comment is more commercial and thus probably not something discussed publicly and thus difficult to have an answer to unless you're within the businesses in question!
willr7 wrote:
21:52 Thursday 1st November 2018
Matt wrote:
20:21 Thursday 1st November 2018
Three slightly separate comments ...
I can't help you with your last 2 questions Matt but i'll give the first one a go! 4 of the 8 Streetlite's are moving to Leicester (4 will stay), 6 of the 8 solo's will either be Withdrawn OR Transferred/Sold? (2 will be kept - presumably for service 31) And presumably the 6 E300's that are left will move up to Stoke... In total that is 16 vehicles but I should imagine that the PVR has dropped since the recent network changes so there would be no need to keep 3 vehicles that will not be replaced by Citaro's... Hope that makes sense ;)

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Re: New Mercedes

Post by AdamH » 07:16 Wednesday 7th November 2018

64021 and 64035 arrived at Worcester yesterday (6th November).

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